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只看楼主 倒序阅读 0 发表于: 2011-06-15
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只看该作者 1 发表于: 2011-06-15
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只看该作者 2 发表于: 2011-06-15
波:沒有美國締結「自由結合」(free association) 的選項吧?
是:保持目前的半自治领地状态

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只看该作者 3 发表于: 2011-06-15
引用第2楼evan123于2011-06-15 23:06发表的  :
波:沒有美國締結「自由結合」(free association) 的選項吧?
是:保持目前的半自治领地状态


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尔今死去奴收葬
未卜奴身何日亡?
奴今葬花人笑痴
他年葬奴知是谁?
只看该作者 4 发表于: 2011-06-16
我虽然希望波独立,但公投很可能是保持现状,或各选项都不过半而被迫保持现状
划小省区,省直管县,三级市制,县下自治
只看该作者 5 发表于: 2011-06-17
需要這樣嗎?
多一點資料對大家都好啊!
寬心吧!各位前輩。
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只看该作者 6 发表于: 2011-06-17
波多黎各现在存在着“统派”和“独派”两相消长的政治态势
有趣的是,“统派”和“独派”的代表色和某宝岛上的“统派”和“独派”完全相同。。。


“独派”波多黎各独立党的旗帜。代表该党主张“保护波多黎各生态,实现可持续发展”的政纲。(这不是绿党吗?)

“统派”波多黎各进步党的旗帜。选用棕榄树作为logo仅仅是方便不识字的选民投票给该党。。。。周围的字是西班牙文(祖国、防卫、进步)。
此外还有人民民主党(Popular Democratic Party),与统派立场相近,代表色为红色。
波多黎各人为波多黎各党(Puerto Ricans for Puerto Rico Party),因其在2008年11月4日选举中未得到注册允许的最低得票率,故未获波多黎各政府政党注册部门认可为合法党派。以主张政治平等、生态平衡为目标,类似“独派”。代表色为橙色。
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只看该作者 7 发表于: 2011-06-17
历年选举态势一览

2008年11月4日
总督选举
候选人-政党  票数   得票率
Luis Fortuño - 进步党  1,025,945  52.84
Aníbal Acevedo Vilá - 人民民主党  801,053  41.26
Rogelio Figueroa - 波多黎各人为波多黎各党  53,690  2.77
Edwin Irizarry Mora - 独立党 39,590 2.04
Pedro Rossello - 独立参选  13,215   0.64
其他  8,170  0.49

民政专员(Resident Commissioner)选举
Pedro Pierluisi - 进步党 1,010,304  52.68
Alfredo Salazar - 人民民主党 810,111  42.30
Carlos Alberto Velazquez - 波多黎各人为波多黎各党 44,126  2.39
Jessica Martinez Biel - 独立党 37,865 1.95
其他 11,889 0.67

议会选举
党派 参院席位 众院席位 合计
进步党  22   37   59
人民民主党 5   14   19
波多黎各人为波多黎各党  0   0
独立党 0    0
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只看该作者 8 发表于: 2011-06-17
2004年11月2日
总督选举
候选人-政党  票数   得票率
Aníbal Acevedo Vilá - 人民民主党  953,459  48.4
Pedro Rosselló -  进步党 949,579  48.2
Rubén Berríos - 独立党  52,660 2.7
Carlos Pesquera - 原进步党,独立参选 8,593  N/A
其他 15,601  0.8

民政专员(Resident Commissioner)选举
Luis Fortuño  - 进步党  947,098  48.52
Roberto Prats - 人民民主党 937,572  48.03
Edwin Irizarry Mora  - 独立党 55,503  2.84
其他 11,993  0.61

议会选举
党派 参院席位 众院席位 合计
进步党  18   32   50
人民民主党 8    18   26
独立党 1    1   2

附选票一张~~
THESAUR.AMER.SEPTENT.SIGIL.
只看该作者 9 发表于: 2011-06-17
感謝 joins2003 長知識了
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只看该作者 10 发表于: 2011-06-19
回 21楼(KINGSON) 的帖子
美国方面应该会有意见吧
aaa
只看该作者 11 发表于: 2011-06-20
呃。。。。迴歸主題。。。
如果沒有維持現狀的選項,波多黎各會是什麼前景呢?
I don't care who you are
Where you're from
What you did
As long as you love me
只看该作者 12 发表于: 2011-06-20
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加入美國第51洲
獨立日子太苦了
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只看该作者 13 发表于: 2011-06-20
以波多黎各的規模,成為州份並無太大人口差異、面積差異上的不妥;
當然,重點要看波多黎各人民的意願,
正如台灣的前途決定也應該尊重台灣人民的意願;
別要像香港,不論割出去,還是收回來,兩次都是兩個大國自把自為的決定。
aaa
只看该作者 14 发表于: 2011-06-20
主要政党有:
①人民民主党,执政党。成立于1938年。主张维持波多黎各“自由联邦”地位,要求在美国主权下成立地方自治政府。
②新进步党,1967年成立。主张波多黎各成为美国的一个州。
③波多黎各独立党,1946年成立。主张波多黎各独立,建立社会主义共和国。
來源:維基百科
I don't care who you are
Where you're from
What you did
As long as you love me
只看该作者 15 发表于: 2011-06-20
晚上回来在内版公布操作记录。
惜今生有缘无分,愿来世不再错过。
只看该作者 16 发表于: 2011-06-20
引用第13楼Franc.She于2011-06-20 15:36发表的  :
晚上回来在内版公布操作记录。

我今天還沒看欸

你就清洗了= ="
尔今死去奴收葬
未卜奴身何日亡?
奴今葬花人笑痴
他年葬奴知是谁?
只看该作者 17 发表于: 2011-06-20
Re:回 25楼(aaa) 的帖子
引用第10楼evan123于2011-06-20 07:22发表的 回 25楼(aaa) 的帖子 :
加入美國第51洲
獨立日子太苦了

以波多黎各的條件

獨立應該也不會苦到哪裡去啦= ="
尔今死去奴收葬
未卜奴身何日亡?
奴今葬花人笑痴
他年葬奴知是谁?
只看该作者 18 发表于: 2011-06-20
area.

Puerto Rico  13792, 比兩個州(Delaware 6447, Rhode Islands 4002 )和DC(177)都來的大


population.  
Puerto Rico  3,725,789,遠遠勝過美國的22個州與DC。

如果換算成選舉人票,這大概有七張。因為拉丁裔群眾通常比較支持民主黨,如果民主黨多了這七張選舉人票。應該會佔不少便宜喔!
帝子降兮北渚,目眇眇兮愁予。嫋嫋兮秋風,洞庭波兮木葉下。
只看该作者 19 发表于: 2011-06-20
最近奧巴馬就專門到訪波多黎各為自己連任造勢。雖然波島沒有選舉人票,但在「搖擺州」佛羅里達州有很多波多黎各人聚居,所以也算是間接為自己在佛州拉票。

奧巴馬是五十年來第一位到訪波島的美國總統,上一次有總統到訪是1961年甘迺迪因古巴問題而到訪的,波島素有「被白宮遺忘的角落」之稱。
只看该作者 20 发表于: 2011-06-20
引用第19楼香港來的沛于2011-06-20 20:20发表的  :
上一次有總統到訪是1961年甘迺迪因古巴問題而到訪的

古巴問題為啥要去波島??
尔今死去奴收葬
未卜奴身何日亡?
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他年葬奴知是谁?
aaa
只看该作者 21 发表于: 2011-06-21
引用第18楼minimal于2011-06-20 17:15发表的  :
因為拉丁裔群眾通常比較支持民主黨,如果民主黨多了這七張選舉人票。應該會佔不少便宜喔!  

拉丁裔也要分來源地,事實上古巴裔美國人是有相當數量的,特別是在佛羅里達州,他們是共和黨的鐵杆。
I don't care who you are
Where you're from
What you did
As long as you love me
只看该作者 22 发表于: 2011-06-21
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虽然事实的确如此,但是不得不说,激进右翼在古巴裔美国人的影响力在削弱,“和平”开始渐渐成为主流。
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只看该作者 23 发表于: 2011-06-21
(转)Cuban vs. Cuban: Community clashes over Juanes concert
Miami's Cuban community divided over Juanes' Havana Concert for Peace

By Carlos Miller

Taken from NBC News - Miami

The pro-Juanes Cubans had the bigger flags. They also had the numbers. And they had youth.

And in the end, they had Versailles Restaurant on Calle Ocho, long a stronghold of hardline, right-wing politics in Miami.

When it was over, the aging Cuban exile population that arrived in Miami in the early 1960s and established itself as one of the most influential political forces in the history of Miami was pigeonholed to a street corner across Versailles where they were surrounded on the other three street corners by screaming, chanting and taunting Cubans who fully supported Sunday’s Juanes concert in Havana.

All the aging exiles could do was destroy blank CDs that had been scrawled with Juanes' name in magic marker to show their disgust for the Colombian singer, who had performed for hundreds of thousands of Cubans in Havana earlier that day.

Perhaps the CD-stomping gesture was meant to be symbolic but the real symbolism ran much deeper.

“They have no voice anymore,” said Alfredo Martinez, a 29-year-old Cuban immigrant who arrived in Miami during the early 1990s.

“This is our time now. We don’t believe in Castro but we believe in Juanes. He did more for Cuba in one concert than they have done in 40 years.”

And that was the sentiment that ran through more than 400 demonstrators that outnumbered the 200 demonstrators who opposed the concert.

Almost all the demonstrators on both sides of the issue were born in Cuba but where they stood on the Juanes concert depended mostly on when they arrived.

It was a monumental -- yet unexpected -- shift considering the demonstration had been organized by Vigilia Mambisa, the right-wing group that has been accused of intimidating opponents through scare tactics, including last year’s Code Pink protest and an earlier protest involving the Bolivarian Youth from Florida International University.

But this time, they were clearly outnumbered.

Over the course of several hours, tempers flared, threats were made and some people even came to blows.

But the five Miami police officers who were assigned to the protest ended up arresting only a handful of people, including one pro-Juanes protester for allegedly exposing his penis and one anti-Juanes protester for allegedly battering a female city worker.

“They laid off 125 officers last week so all we get is five officers here,” said an officer who did not want to be named. “Imagine if we didn’t have any officers here?”

At one point, police tried to disperse the crowd by wailing their sirens and ordering everybody to go home, but it was to no avail. The pro-Juanes crowd kept increasing, showing up with musical instruments or just pots and pans to bang.

The concert itself was quite a sight, with tens of thousands of spectators showing up for what was believed to be the largest gathering since Pope John Paul's 1998 visit.

The protest began as soon as the concert in Havana ended with members of Vigilia Mambisa standing on the corner of Versailles as they have done so many times before, accusing anybody who does not agree with them of being communists.

But then the younger Cubans started arriving. And they were accompanied by a few older Cubans who said they were touched by the concert. And the momentum of the protest changed.

After a few pushing and shoving matches and several screaming bouts underneath the famous Versailles sign, the hardliners were pushed across S.W. 36th Ave. where they took position on the sidewalk next to Farmacia Luis, even hanging up the Vigilia Mambisa banner on the side of the wall.

And the pro-Juanes Cubans kept multiplying, forcing police to shut down Eight Street because they kept spilling out into the street in front of Versailles. By the end of the protest, the pro-Juanes Cubans occupied the corner of Versailles as well as both street corners on the south side of Eight Street.

But even before that happened, Vigilia Mambisa had removed their sign and went home, leaving the dwindling exile crowd to continue fighting the losing battle.

只看该作者 24 发表于: 2011-06-23
沒記錯當年連古巴也想過加入美國,所以旗子才那麼像美國旗。
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